| Are the people of the Principality of Wales overrepresented? |
MrJohnson
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 Posted: Mon 26 Jul 2010, 09:05
It came as a thought to me yesterday, we have MP's, AM's and MEP's, is that too much ?
Also, a more worrying thought crossed my mind, if the Nationalists were to get their way on devolution, what would count as the second chamber? Would we see far more "Badger fiasco's" due to a lack of proper scrutiny?
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Am_Fìobhach
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 Posted: Fri 30 Jul 2010, 14:19
On your first question, no. Wales has, at present, roughly the same proportion of MPs, in terms of population, as do England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Cornwall. In terms of ACau, as it's nobbut a Wales thing, one cannot sensibly talk about being "over-represented" or "under-represented": it would be rather like claiming the UK is over- or under-represented in Westminster. Regarding MEPs, it is possible that Wales is slightly under-represented, as it has 4 for a population of around 2.5 million. I believe countries such as Luxemburgh and Malta have a significantly greater per population representation. However, Wales probably does a little better in that respect than, say, Bavaria, as Bavaria is in an even larger member-state than Wales.
As for "second chambers", who needs 'em? In a sense, the Cynulliad is a combined job (as is Pàrlamaid na h-Alba), as it contains both constituency representatives (e.g. the US House of Reps) and regional reps (e.g. the US Senate). So, no need at all for a second chamber!
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Redcarpet
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 Posted: Sat 07 Aug 2010, 23:51
How is Wales a 'principality'?
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Shadowfax
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 Posted: Sun 08 Aug 2010, 03:10
Extract from Wiki;
The term "principality" is often used informally to describe Wales as it currently exists, but this has no constitutional basis. The Principality of Wales existed in the northern and western parts of Wales between the 13th and 16th centuries; the Laws in Wales Act of 1536 which legally incorporated Wales within England (until the 20th century) removed the distinction between that area and the March of Wales, but no principality covering the whole of Wales was created thereafter. Since that time, the title Prince of Wales (together with Duke of Cornwall) has been a title traditionally granted to the heir apparent to the reigning monarch of the United Kingdom, but it confers no responsibilities for government in Wales
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It's my opinion and no, before you ask, I am not going to post "evidence" because there usually isn't any. If there were there would be no need for us to discuss the subject.
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Am_Fìobhach
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 Posted: Tue 10 Aug 2010, 13:52
In this instance, Wikipedia seems to have it right.
Certain areas have certain traditional epithets. For instance, Scotland is usually referred to as a "country", Northern Ireland as a "province", Wales as a "principality", Cornwall, Norfolk, Northumberland (and probably quite a few others) as "duchies", Fife as a "kingdom" - and so forth.
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Llofnod
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Quantum
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 Posted: Tue 24 Aug 2010, 17:41
No, the Welsh have been underrepresented for centuries when they were absorbed into the Kingdom of England and had to follow English laws. The Welsh have no symbol in the Union Flag unlike the English, Irish and Scottish. I think the overrepresentation in legislative bodies is justifiable because it will give Wales the ability to govern its own affairs and to show themselves as competent legislators.
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Am_Fìobhach
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 Posted: Sat 28 Aug 2010, 04:35
Slight correction, Q: England was absorbed by Wales officially during the reign of Henry Tudor, a Welsh noble who became King of England. He abolished the concept of "England" and of "Wales", replacing both by the concept of "England and Wales". And thus, broadly, it remained until the death of Elizabeth Tudor, when the new unit became part of Scotland under James Stuart. However, the union was not officially recognised as such till 1707, when the Stuart "union flag" was first officially adopted.
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Llofnod
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