[Serguei]

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f we expect the police to racial profile according to crime do we expect the justice system to follow suit? should the statement " my honour the man is black and blacks are **% more likely to be violent than other people so it is more likely this person is guilty than if he was white.

No, we don't expect the justice system to follow suit - the job of the police and the job of the judiciary is quite different.
What we expect is not to here people claiming racism only because some races are overrepresented in jails and under-represented in universities.

[Pat]

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Two things Pat,

One you haven't explained why the chinese geneticists have not gone out and proved what you say, I doubt they give a monkeys for political correctness.

Give them a chance, I know they are working on it. The US and China are forming close links right now, who knows what influence America will have on it? One thing is for sure, America would not publish anything that goes against it's egalitarian world view.

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second, scientists can't censor each others work just because they dislike the content, they can only prevent publication for methodological flaws.

The scientific peer review process has come under fire lately. It's not as infallable as was once made out.

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Third, I respect James Watson for his remarkable discovery but I'd rather see the evidence he believes proves this.
Looking at what he is saying he is suggesting that we cannot expect IQ to be identical in populations that have evolved seperately which I'd agree with, it is likely different, but how it is different and by how much it is not known specifically. We do know that the difference however is not great, It also likely that the variation in the black population is greater. One thing I think a lot of people should understand is that talking about the black population as one big interbreeding population is actually a red herring. Blacks are enormously diverse and there are clearly genetic separated groups within the black population.

Here's a couple of links you might like to read just for pleasure if nothing else:

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Politically Correct US Science Struggles to Compete With the Suddenly Wide-Open Science of China

http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2010/07/p ... ience.html

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Racial IQ Differences – Hammer Finally Drops

http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/01/0 ... lly-drops/

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Study gives more proof that intelligence is largely inherited

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/mo ... 85134.aspx

[Kenneth]

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It's an interesting idea but I have serious concerns with it. I think its likely it would become cyclic, If your black your expected to be a racist, if your asian your expected to commit fraud and if your white your expected to be a peado. You risk re-enforcing the stereotype that I suspect all will have environmental causes or indeed may just be due to correlations in other factors. In theory it may be possible that asians are more likely to own their own business than average and it may be that those who own their own businesses are more likely to commit fraud. In this case you would inaccurately be targeting asians and like I said risk increasing the over-representation of particular races in crime by profiling them as such.

My point was that perhaps the police should target their resources based on racial generalisations (not on myths). I don’t see why the police would be interested in causes of racial differences as this wouldn’t alter the facts and the statistics. The causes of racial difference do not alter the accuracy of the data.

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If we expect the police to racial profile according to crime do we expect the justice system to follow suit? should the statement " my honour the man is black and blacks are **% more likely to be violent than other people so it is more likely this person is guilty than if he was white.

Generalisations could not be used as evidence, not even circumstantial.

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I also ask how big the difference is? if its a matter of a 5% over representation how do you ask a bobby to act to suspect certain races 5% more than other races?

Fair point. If the statistical difference is too small to make a difference then there is no point in considering it. However, if the reason for not considering it is due to squeamishness then I don’t think that would be a good enough reason to risk people’s lives or even to waste public resources.