[Avonset]

Has anyone heard anything about David Myatt's conversion to Islam recently. There was a brief flurry of interest on the Internet and the story featured in some local papers a few years ago. More recently, Melanie Phillips did a piece on him in the Daily Mail, but it didn't say anything about how Myatt might be continuing in his faith.

I find all this rather strange. Some people believe that Myatt is a self publicist. He has certainly done things in the past which seemed to be designed to grab the headlines. Now he seems to have gone to ground completely. It is difficult to believe that someone who previously exhibited such high levels of 'political' activity, would suddenly just give up without a word.

[Rinty]

He converted to islaam about ten years ago and accassionally pops up with his extreme right wing views.

He hasnt had a very high profile for a few years and I would say that this post looks as if it was written six or seven years ago.

[Avonset]

Where does he pop up?

[Redcarpet]

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Where does he pop up?

The local mosque I image!

[Rinty]

the same places as he always did.

I dont think you are right to say that he has had a high profile that has dropped away, I think he is the same as always, he will occassionally be covered when something happens that involves him.

What do you think and what is it you are suggesting?

[Avonset]

I'm going to draw a very bold line under David Myatt and move on to a totally different subject.

This topic has a very particular political significance for both the Left and the Right, because it might clarify the real agenda of a certain individual, whose activities have been the subject of debate for some years. It isn't about what other people allege he is up to, nor is it about the political activities he claims to be involved in. It is about what he does when he feels he is not under scrutiny. I believe this paints a far more accurate picture of the real man than pages of speculation, or indeed his own 'puff pieces'.

I represent a very small group of disabled people who have been subjected to prolonged campaigns of harassment. The pattern is the same in each case. They visit an Internet message board - one specialising in disability for example - and their computer is hacked. Most people have many personal documents on their hard disk, some of which include their home address. This information is stolen as a matter of course by a very skilled hacker, who has infiltrated the board by pretending to be a disabled person. The hacker then 'probes' his victims on various contentious subjects, by exchanging posts with them. He builds up a picture of their beliefs and if they particularly displease him, he organises a concerted campaign of harassment at their home address.

It doesn't sound very plausible does it? Herein lies the problem for victims of this crime. The scheme is so devious, convoluted and apparently motiveless, that the victims are all dismissed as insane if they try to report it. However, it is this very problem which acts to provide a solution to another question entirely.

Some Satanists believe that this individual is just using their religion as a front to recruit 'acolytes', whose real purpose is to assist in neo-nazi political activities.

The opposing view is that he is really a practising Satanist with a lot of weird friends, who used the white nationalist movement to pursue a private Satanist agenda.

I strongly believe the latter theory is right. The very specific profile of all the victims I am in contact with, supports this. They are all disabled people, all isolated and vulnerable to some extent and none of them have any particular political affiliations. I am aware that the nazis wanted to dispose of disabled people, but the present day movement has very limited resources and it seems odd that they would target this very specific group with no clear goal in sight. The hacker is putting a great deal of time, effort and human resources into making a few disabled people miserable and frightened on a daily basis. It doesn't seem like serious political activism to me. The priority for this person is the creation of terror for terror's sake. In view of his Satanist beliefs, this strange behaviour is far more likely to be centred around 'enhancing the sinister dialectic' (creating more fear and misery in the world), than any genuine neo-nazi agenda.

I said at the beginning that this has relevance for both the Left and the Right. For the Left another interesting real life example of the occult fascist axis. For the Right (especially if you are young and impressionable) a warning to check out your leaders very carefully - their real agenda may not be the same as yours.

[skydog1]

''Some Satanists believe that this individual is just using their religion as a front to recruit 'acolytes', whose real purpose is to assist in neo-nazi political activities.''

Then again he could just be recruiting them for a bit of extra-marital hockmagandy.

Your post does sound like some wild conspiracy theory I must admit.

[Avonset]

'I would say that this post looks as if it was written six or seven years ago.'


Hello Rinty.

So are you saying that you don't have any up to date information (from independent sources) on Myatt either?



The last really comprhensive analysis I saw was here:

http://p216.ezboard.com/David-Myatt--Se ... D=33.topic


Then here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 708687.ece


Then....nothing.


This isn't 'popping up' from time to time to make a statement about oneself. They are items written by people other than Myatt. This is the type of material I am looking for.

[Avonset]

Hi Skydog1.

'Your post does sound like some wild conspiracy theory I must admit.'


But not to the disabled victims I fear.

In many cases of organised abuse, there are always people who don't participate directly, yet nevertheless are told what is going on and do nothing. It isn't that they want to see people harmed. It is rather that they have a real problem with the status of the victims. Some social groups are not even on the 'radar screens' of the general public. So you must expect these groups to be targeted heavily by certain unscrupulous people.

[skydog1]

Hi Avonset!


Whilst I must confess I've heard nothing of this Myatt geezer (perhaps it's because I'm not a Grauniad reader!) Neither have I heard anything about organized abuse of disabled people. The media usually concentrate on abuse of the elderly such as itinerant gutter cleaners who charge £2000 to rake a few leaves out. But I agree that we should be rightly concerned if this is happening on any sort of scale, small or large. What ammo have you got?

The most obvious abuse of the disabled I've witnessed has been unintentional and of a personal experience. My neighbour's daughter was badly injured some years ago and was left severely disabled. The 'social services' people who attended her, whilst being well-meaning would treat her as some sort of mental defective even though you'd realise after talking to her for a few seconds that she had a mind like a steel trap and a wit and repartee that would put the average MP in the shade. Sadly, she died a couple of years ago of MRSA contracted whilst in hospital.

[remer11]

This person is a troll who's been doing the rounds on various forums with his Myatt obsession - the most recent was, of all places, the Billy Bragg forum.

It's amazing how many people fall for his fantasies and lies, and don't bother to check out the facts.

He claims to have contacted the Police about this harassment blah blah blah but hides behind anonymous posts.

It has been suggested he go to Charing X Police Station and ask to speak to someone in SO12 who know Myatt well by all accounts, and they know well that this is just a troll dealing in paranoid fantasy.

For those interested, they can check out Myatt's status as a Muslim by going to the Islamic Awakening forum where he regularly posts, or check out his Islamist sites such as

http://website.lineone.net/~davidmyatt

[Johndoe]

by disability do you mean mentally or psychologically?

how exactly are you tying together myatt, satanists, hackers and the disabled?

[remer11]

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how exactly are you tying together myatt, satanists, hackers and the disabled?

Through the paranoid fantasy of a determined troll, that's how.

[skydog1]

Well we've plenty of those types on here. Mostly 9/11 conspiracy theorists it has to be said, though I wouldn't go so far as to label them 'trolls' f**king idiots and loonies maybe but not trolls.

[Avonset]

'Through the paranoid fantasy of a determined troll, that's how.'

'by disability do you mean mentally or psychologically? '

'I wouldn't go so far as to label them 'trolls' f**king idiots and loonies maybe but not trolls.'


Obviously translating the works of Aeschylus and Sophocles from ancient Greek into modern English, doesn't have the civilising influence one might have expected.

Tickets to Bedlam for a quick gloat anyone?

[skydog1]

They don't call it Bedlam any more avonset. It's now optimistically titled 'Care In The Community'

[remer11]

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label them 'trolls' f**king idiots and loonies maybe but not trolls

I used troll because he's posted almost exactly the same stuff about Myatt on other forums, trying to come across as a "victim" but never ever gives any proof of his libelous accusations.

I PM'd him, challenging him to drop his anonymity and go over to the Islamic Awakening forum where he could plead his case with Muslims, and incidentally with Ibn Myatt also, but it seems he's taken no notice.

Oops! I said "he" - the troll might be a she :)

[getting aware]

This person, be they male of female is now posting on several disability sites and causing a few very vulnerable mentally ill people a lot of concern...

He/she may well be mentally ill themselves and deluded ... As has been previously said he/she seems to be obsessed with Satanism and neo nazist links.

I suspect the best response is no response ... (lol yes I know this will be seen as a response), but if he /she is ill I'm not sure feeding the fantasy will be helpful.

[guido]

I was browsing this forum and was surprised when I came across this old thread.

First off, just one update. I tried to use one of the links and found that it is now

http://rigorousintuition.yuku.com/topic ... ticle.html

Now to my main point.
Avonset is absolutely right. I am a disabled person and exactly what he describes is happening to me.

“The pattern is the same in each case. They visit an Internet message board - one specialising in disability for example - and their computer is hacked. Most people have many personal documents on their hard disk, some of which include their home address. This information is stolen as a matter of course by a very skilled hacker, who has infiltrated the board by pretending to be a disabled person. The hacker then 'probes' his victims on various contentious subjects, by exchanging posts with them. He builds up a picture of their beliefs and if they particularly displease him, he organises a concerted campaign of harassment at their home address.”

More evidence of other unfortunate disabled people who have been subjected to this sick hacker's vicious attacks, is now coming to light. A disabled friend came up with this link from Indymedia

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/01/389959.html

It appears from this, that a woman suffering from cancer was targeted by this worm.

This sort of activity has been going on for a while now, as this link from 2004 shows:

http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforu ... /3724.html

Many of the pictures posted on RedWatch are stolen from people's webcams while they are surfing the Internet, so I think we must recognise that computer hacking and long term harassment are just two closely associated weapons used by people who only know how to hate.

But disabled people – WHY?

[Prosthetic Conscience]

Here's a hint to would-be conspiracy theorists: don't put Satanists in your story. It makes you look ridiculous - like a religious nutter who blames the ills of the world on spirits and demons. That Indymedia UK story looks absurd.